Yeah, I think I'm finding myself pretty thoroughly ignoring word of god on this issue because I do find a much more positive reading going by what's actually on screen. I can do "we all get to experience different aspects of humanity that we normally wouldn't," but "everyone becomes pansexual" seems both wrong as in "inaccurate re: what's shown on screen" and as in "no, what, that has homophobic implications."
Not that you're wrong about some scenes being uncomfortable--a lot of it is YMMV and can wander across the line of unfortunate implications depending on a number of factors. So would definitely not say that someone who's not comfortable with some scenes is wrong or hypersensitive to feel that way. Nor that the show is perfectly enlightened in all regards (I have complicated feelings about the Daniela situation, for example, which mostly boil down to loving her as a character and loving the platonic side of her relationship with Lito/Hernando, but feeling a bit squiffy about the sexual aspects, and I'll stop my slide into m/m discussion here).
With the orgy scenes I always feel like I'm playing catchup when people say who kissed who when, because it all seemed to go by really fast for me in the parts where they were all together or kissing people who weren't their usual partners. I'm like...I would need to rewind and watch that scene over to even notice who kissed Amanita or whatever! But that's probably a me thing. Maybe everyone else does rewatch the orgy scenes, or is better at spotting things that go by fast.
Agree re: bicuriosity, and tbh, if anyone's going to have the edges of their sexuality pushed a little bit I can't say I'm too bothered when it's the straight guy. :P
Anyway I guess I do tend to push back a bit on the "Sense8 makes its gay characters pan" thing because I don't actually think that's what's going on. Though if it were or if someone feels that it did, I'd totally get that being a dealbreaker.
Re: wank containment area
Yeah, I think I'm finding myself pretty thoroughly ignoring word of god on this issue because I do find a much more positive reading going by what's actually on screen. I can do "we all get to experience different aspects of humanity that we normally wouldn't," but "everyone becomes pansexual" seems both wrong as in "inaccurate re: what's shown on screen" and as in "no, what, that has homophobic implications."
Not that you're wrong about some scenes being uncomfortable--a lot of it is YMMV and can wander across the line of unfortunate implications depending on a number of factors. So would definitely not say that someone who's not comfortable with some scenes is wrong or hypersensitive to feel that way. Nor that the show is perfectly enlightened in all regards (I have complicated feelings about the Daniela situation, for example, which mostly boil down to loving her as a character and loving the platonic side of her relationship with Lito/Hernando, but feeling a bit squiffy about the sexual aspects, and I'll stop my slide into m/m discussion here).
With the orgy scenes I always feel like I'm playing catchup when people say who kissed who when, because it all seemed to go by really fast for me in the parts where they were all together or kissing people who weren't their usual partners. I'm like...I would need to rewind and watch that scene over to even notice who kissed Amanita or whatever! But that's probably a me thing. Maybe everyone else does rewatch the orgy scenes, or is better at spotting things that go by fast.
Agree re: bicuriosity, and tbh, if anyone's going to have the edges of their sexuality pushed a little bit I can't say I'm too bothered when it's the straight guy. :P
Anyway I guess I do tend to push back a bit on the "Sense8 makes its gay characters pan" thing because I don't actually think that's what's going on. Though if it were or if someone feels that it did, I'd totally get that being a dealbreaker.