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Re: The wildest takes

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da IIRC, she insisted that Clarke from The 100 and Korra from LoK were "failed Robins", whatever that even means, with Bellamy and Ted as their respective Teds. Women can't possibly themselves be Teds in CU's world, no matter how main charactery they are, because... some sexist nonsense, I don't remember how or if she justifies that part

Re: The wildest takes

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sa Posted too soon! Idk if she's ever talked about a woman who only has f/f canon romances, but I bet she'd hate it. She comes across as pretty homophobic as well as sexist.

Re: The wildest takes

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da

She's mentioned it in passing somewhere. She thinks women who only have f/f relationships are "props" that people can never truly be emotionally invested in--people only pretend to like canon f/f ships for Woke Points, while it is only Tobin, which is necessarily het, that awakens shipping passion.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

This gets my vote for the most WTF-moment.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, yep.

http://candyumbrella.tumblr.com/post/165512585062/i-got-this-as-a-submission-but-the-asker-also

I have never seen that kind of UNKILLABLE PASSION over a non-Ted/Tobin story. And I might get into hot water for saying this but frankly—I think most people would trade in ALL their favorite Social Justice Approved, Casual Performative Reblog shows in a heartbeat if it meant they could get their most desired endgame on their #1 traditional, cishet white male-led Ted/Tobin show. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that in the slightest–hell, I know I would! But fandom is a frustrating place because it’s an environment (or has become an environment, IDK) where we’re not “supposed” to feel this way so most people pretend they don’t, only what’s even the point of that?

Yep, all those Swan Queen and Clexa fans, doing all that casual performative reblogging and fic writing and Twitter campaigning purely for the SJ points. No passion there at all. I'm sure they would definitely prefer endgame het.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

DA CU's meta reminds me of some of the discussion over at Slacktivist during the original read of Left Behind -- that not only does she believe this, she is literally *unable to understand that other people do not*, to the point where the only way she can make sense of other people's behavior is to believe that other people DO think the same things she does, but are lying about it, or lying to themselves.

It's such a profound failure to understand that other people look at things differently.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

So does she not fucking realize how many gay girls and POC there are in fandom, or does she just assume that they, too, inherently care more about white heterosexuals than characters who look and act like them?

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Clexa fans, like, rent an actual billboard to Inform the Public when their ship got killed? Is that not proof of passion?

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention Clexacon.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

sa again

...Bellamy and Mako, even.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Wow that sounds wild, I'll have to look that up.

And yeah, it's so weird reading her stuff because she keeps being like "of course, I think this is bad, TV writers are just so awful and sexist," but the language she uses to talk about her theory ("fallen Robins," "prop ships") makes it pretty clear that she's mostly just projecting her own beliefs onto Writers As A Whole.

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt I did some dememing and found this pretty hilarious post where she says some shows don't have a Tobin and therefore are doomed to flop, because ~that's just how people work! (She has difficulty with the concept of other people being different to her.) Some choice misogyny from the asker:

[Legends of Tomorrow] is one of the few cases where i’m like, “no but sara’s the main character for real.” and then i look around and i’m like, “okay but who is she being written For?” and i can’t figure it out. maybe rip?? maybe oliver?? lmao. that’s actually a problem i have with quite a few “female driven” shows that i wanted to ask you about. like the bold type or sweet/vicious or grace and frankie, where i look around and i’m like, “okay but are there even any dudes on this show?” any thoughts??

CU replies: it says a hell of a lot that almost all shows do have this structure in some form, but what’s even MORE telling is the DIFFERENCE between shows with a strong Ted/Tobin, vs shows with a weak Ted/Tobin or none at all. The difference in creative drive, and the difference in audience investment. Writers do sometimes try to be ~quirky and do something different from Ted/Tobin, it’s just that in these cases they almost always flop–and they never generate the same kind of lasting insane audience loyalty that Ted/Tobin shows do.
Unfortunately, fandom doesn’t like distinguishing between different kinds of investment, it acts like casual reblogs are on the same level as the kind of shipping/stanning that leads people to follow interviews and spoilers minutely day-to-day and obsess over the endgame until the very last second of the series final


...did HIMYM generate any lasting audience loyalty, other than this singular loony? It didn't exactly seem like a juggernaut from the outside, even when it was still showing.

Re: The wildest takes

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DA

did HIMYM generate any lasting audience loyalty, other than this singular loony? It didn't exactly seem like a juggernaut from the outside, even when it was still showing.

It LOST all its audience loyalty because of the “Tobin” ending, even!

Re: The wildest takes

[(Anonymous)]

DA HIMYM had a decent-sized following outside of fandom, and got at least a little fic inside of fandom (enough to be too big for Yuletide, at least, which for a sitcom canon isn't bad).

...but very few of them shipped Ted/Robin. Maaaaaybe 10% of the audience wanted that to be endgame. The big pairing in the fandom was Robin/Barney, which the ending sidelined to go Ted/Robin and almost everyone in the fandom HATED that ending, violently, to the point where the creators released an alternate ending that retconned it.

In conclusion, CandyUmbrella is nuts and her theory makes no sense even if you apply it to HIMYM fandom. Also more people should have written Lily/Robin.