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Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 12:07 am (UTC)(link)"By starting with a relationship, m/m slash, that’s so far outside the boundaries of normalcy, you give yourself permission to stray further off the range towards a broader range of gender and sexual expression than you would if you were writing, for example, two women—because two women together is a dynamic that has long been prescribed to us by the patriarchy. It’s already been appropriated by men; it’s harder to write dangerously, because our ingrained cultural images of women together were images given to us by men, not by lesbians and bisexual women self-defining their own relationships.
By contrast, no one has ever prescribed to us how to write two men together, because it just isn’t done. It’s off the map; here there be (sexy) monsters.
That’s not erasure—it’s kind of the opposite: a totally blank page where we can write ourselves with an unprecedented absence of cultural interference."
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 12:55 am (UTC)(link)"so far outside the boundaries of normalcy" jesus christ.
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 05:32 am (UTC)(link)You know, I'm generally opposed to the "slash is women fetishizing gay men" idea, but treating gay men as a BLANK SLATE is also some kind of not good. Yuck.
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 06:13 am (UTC)(link)Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 09:05 am (UTC)(link)And:
By contrast, no one has ever prescribed to us how to write two men together, because it just isn’t done. It’s off the map; here there be (sexy) monsters.
...Okay. Yeah. This is really really weird. Queer lit is a subfield within itself, and yeah, M/M and F/F are less common than M/F, but if she thinks that men have never ever written stories about men fucking other men and only women find M/M sexy, she's deluded. I mean, yeah, there are differences between female- and male-centric traditions of M/M fic, but...that's also true of M/F and F/F?
And nice job with the monsters imagery, Aja. That's not building on a long history of language associated with a certain type of homophobia at all.
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)OH MY GOD LESBIAN LIT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE SAPPHO SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-14 12:49 am (UTC)(link)Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-13 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)That’s not erasure—it’s kind of the opposite: a totally blank page where we can write ourselves
That seriously goes beyond "painfully clueless" and into downright offensive WTF territory. WTF, Aja, WTF.
Re: The wildest takes
(Anonymous) 2018-08-14 03:46 am (UTC)(link)