I have doubts that [a femslash meme] would be very long-lived

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[(Anonymous)]

I think the "aligned" language is wanky.

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[(Anonymous)]

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Well yeah, to be honest I'm not a fan as a genderfluid person who feels dysphoric when people insist/imply I must be exactly one of "like a man" or "like a woman", whether using "aligned" language or something equivalent.

But it is a difficult problem, there isn't any neat way to define f/f in a way that includes all non binary people in a clear and logical way. I didn't want to be all YOUR DEFINITIONS ARE TRANSPHOBIC right off the bat in my first comment, and if they can find a way to include characters who aren't neatly male/female aligned in the rules one way or the other then I'll be happy enough.

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[(Anonymous)]

+1 It's hard to express but aligned language often frames nonbinary people as Woman Lite or Man Lite and invites want on how masculine or feminine someone is.

Practically speaking though I feel like the nonbinary and queer female community have a history of solidarity and an overlap that being inclusive of nonbinary people in a space that is primarily about queer women makes sense to me.

Re: characters like Imperial Radch and Steven Universe gems I feel like we can Occam's Razor and say that even though their understanding of gender is inherently different from our own, from a Doylist perspective we are meant to associate them with the feminine, as represented by their use and comfort with she/her pronouns. Excluding them because of a quibble about what "she" really means is useless.

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[(Anonymous)]

(just to be clear with the last paragraph i understand that a lot of nonbinary people who don't consider themselves women at all use she/her pronouns, it's complicated! It just feels... More fitting and less disrespectful I guess to consider gems who use she/her pronouns like the SU ones as under the f/f umbrella, as opposed to gems who use a variety of pronouns and appellations in an intentionally genderless way like the Houseki no Kuni gems.

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[(Anonymous)]

Practically speaking though I feel like the nonbinary and queer female community have a history of solidarity and an overlap that being inclusive of nonbinary people in a space that is primarily about queer women makes sense to me.

Yeah, like...why would we not? No one is required to read or write fic with nonbinary characters here if they don't agree with that, but the lesbian community is my community.

Re: Meta thread

[(Anonymous)]

I agree very hard with your first two paragraphs. (Less so with the Imperial Radch assessment, but that's a long-standing qualm that I've basically given up arguing.)

I get that there's no good answer to whether to include nonbinary characters in a femslash meme (or event, or whatever), and I understand both deciding to include them entirely (e.g., femslashex) and deciding to exclude them entirely (e.g., femslashafterdark), but I really feel like trying to include some nonbinary characters and exclude others is taking the worst of both options and inviting a hell of a lot of potential wank.