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do you really think people on an f/f comm haven't heard enough of "you're reducing f/f to just being about sex just by talking about sex-related things at all"

that line of thinking is tiresome and definitely worth making fun of, even if you think it's not ~polite

Yes? Obviously? I just don't see wtf that has to do with asexuality in this instance! Sure, sometimes it's asexual awareness~ assholes spouting that nonsense, but just as often it's straight assholes!

SA: Actually, I think that's what's pissing me off about this: the quote was definitely homophobic. It might or might not have had anything to do with asexuality. But somehow this subtread is about gratuitous asexual bashing instead of, you know, homophobia.

Exactly! Like, it's not even warranted sexuality wank, it's someone deciding to start shit out of the blue by cherry-picking because I guess they just want to shit on asexual people!

+1000000000

asexual people are usually also straight

As long as we're setting community norms, can we import derailing porn for really boring wank? I love derailing porn.

As someone who doesn't care about this wank, but is watching on flat view, I'd like to point out that it wouldn't even be happening if you'd just ignored the "probable asexy" remark.

AYRT

That wasn't me who responded to it, actually! I'm also reading on flatview, I just find it kind of tedious. (Though I also think "really it's your fault for responding to the wanky thing in the first place!" is kind of dumb. For one this seems like the kind of troll who'd sameanon all over the place.)

NA who also got mad, I guess, feeding the troll

I don't want statements like "homophobes are probably asexual" to become unchallenged background noise, though. Like, on the one hand, sexuality wank sucks and is annoying, but on the other, I feel like nobody saying anything normalizes that opinion, which would make this meme an objectively less pleasant place for me and many other people.

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if someone can be asexual and gay then why can't someone be asexual and straight

*pats you*

Are they really?

Yes.

This has been another exciting episode of SATSQ.

Even in the majority of acewank I've seen, they aren't. But this is a favored straw man.

Tell that to my ex.

What is this even supposed to mean? Your ex is a non-straight asexual, so the majority of asexuals aren't straight? By that logic I could point out that since I'm gay, the majority of the general population isn't straight.

White people are usually also straight

Americans are usually also straight

People with driver's licenses are usually also straight

Seriously, that statement means nothing because statistically there are much more straight people than gay people, that doesn't mean that there are no LGBT people in that given population, or that the intersection of LGBT people with that population should be ignored.

the intersection of LGBT people with that population should be ignored

I've never seen anyone say this. Unless you're one of those people who interpret "cishet aces are cishet" as "all aces are cishet".

Cishet aces are cishet and are just as likely to be homophobic and transphobic as cishet non-aces.

AYRT

I was replying to the nonny above saying "asexuals are usually also straight" as part of acewank because I don't really think that line of argument is really relevant or even cogent. Like, that's not an argument for asexuals being homophobic, you could basically make the same wanky statement about most blanket demographic groups, and there still would be a subset of that demographic group who are LGBT.

I'm not sure if I'm being 100% clear, but basically: Cishet aces are cishet and not immune from being bigoted, but painting all aces with that brush is 1) ignoring the population of ace people who aren't and 2) just a poor argument in general.

but just as often it's straight assholes!

Like there's a difference.

usually there really is no difference ime and the people that try to make it out to be like asexuals are some special class that aren't capable of homophobia and therefore i'm obligated to feel any kind of solidarity with them grind my gears

a lot of the asexual community is intensely homophobic no, not every single one is consciously so but they've identified themselves with a community that attracts a LOT of homophobes so yes i'm going to make jokes that they can be homophobic

but they've identified themselves with a community that attracts a LOT of homophobes

By... describing their sexual orientation as what it is?

This is why I would qualify this as sexuality wank and why I wish it wasn't a thing here. It's one thing to take issue with aspects of the tumblr asexual community or whatever else, it's another thing to say that people are identifying themselves as homophobic by being open about their identity and not self-flagellating every time they mention it or something.

the identity as it is has been irrecoverably ruined and tainted

ntm that the guy who started the asexual community david jay is a homophobe who's gone on about how gay people need to be taught to have "nonsexual intimacy"

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+100

it's the same as making fun of fundie christians for me - in fact it's essentially the same rhetoric just with the jesus removed.

are there lgbt christians? yeah. are there non-lgbt christians who don't hate gay people? yeah. do I respect the concept of being christian in the abstract? mmhmm. am I still going to joke about christians being homophobic? yes because the overall attitude + track record of the christian community toward a) sexuality and b) gay sexual attraction is really fucking shitty.

now go through that paragraph, replace the word "christian" with "asexual", and you've p. much got my take. except also imagine if christians were trying to come into lgbt safe spaces en masse and insist that being christian meant they were under the lgbt umbrella because christians are killed in some countries + some kid made fun of them for saying they were waiting to have sex until marriage in high school one time and being lgbt is all about being hated for being different :(

also my attitude toward christians and asexuals is the same in the sense that they need to shut up about lgbt people making jokes about them and fix their own community to remove the homophobic and anti-sex rhetoric so we won't feel threatened by it anymore... and guess what! I bet the problem of people making jokes about you being homophobic will fix itself then!

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