I have doubts that [a femslash meme] would be very long-lived

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ayrt

Because fanart is fandom too? There's this very AO3-centric mindset of, "fandom, oh, and I guess also anime," or "fandom, oh, and I guess also fanart" that's unnecessarily narrow. There are fans, and they're women, and they're expressing their love of f/f, but their numbers don't "count" therefore women don't like f/f.

This is specifically in response to the assertion that f/f is less popular and that there are Reasons why women like it less, which is why it's relevant that women do in fact like it. Fanart is very popular, it's huge on platforms like tumblr and twitter and pixiv, it has plenty of history with sites like deviantart and oekaki boards, it's reposted like heck all over imageboards like 4chan as well as sites like pinterest and weheartit. Saying that doesn't count for anything because it doesn't scratch your itch in particular is like saying all the het on Wattpad isn't really het statistics because it's all readerfic and you don't like that. Someone likes it! That's the point! People make it, share it, love it! Not every work of f/f will be rtyi, but it's okay, because there's loads of it and I'm sure some of it will be up your alley--and the stuff that isn't counts as f/f fandom too. Only counting stuff you're personally interested in as f/f sure is a way to artificially deflate f/f's numbers and popularity.

There is enough f/f fic and f/f fic history to make my argument that f/f is popular and lots of women love it anyway, it was just important to me to count other parts of fandom, some of which I've personally been in, that are important to many female f/f fans and part of that broad shared history and community. If it doesn't resonate with you, it's okay, don't worry about it, but maybe take solace that even way off over there where you have no intention of going, women are loving f/f there too.

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[(Anonymous)]

There’s the mindset of wanting fandom content that takes me more than 30 seconds to consume but sorry you don’t enough reblogs on your art or whatever.

Re: wank containment area

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Were you just reading the recent comments on ffa that said this meme wasn't all that wanky and decided to do something about it?

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[(Anonymous)]

NA

It sure does look like that's the case.

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[(Anonymous)]

Sorry you're mad my femslash art gets thousands of reblogs when you're bound and determined to say no one likes it?

I've seen ridiculously popular femslash writers whine that no one likes them because they write femslash, which is especially noticeable when the same author has het or m/m content that has less than a third of the comments/kudos as their f/f stuff. What is with femslash writers and needing to believe that no one likes them, and no one likes anyone else who does f/f either, despite evidence to the contrary?

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[(Anonymous)]

Where did I say no one likes it? I'm just sick of people derailing people specifically talking about wanting more f/f fic to call them entitled because fanart/other fandoms exist (like, I know, I came up through anime/jrpg fandom, I'm not your ao3 live action western m/m juggernaut fandom boogeyman)

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[(Anonymous)]

I made the original comment ("I hate the "why is f/f isn't so popular as..." etc kind of discussion," etc) and I wasn't specifically thinking about fic. So I really have no idea why you're being so insistent on this being a Discussion About Fic.

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[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

It does sometimes seem that they don't want f/f to be seen as popular, doesn't it?

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[(Anonymous)]

You seem to think f/f fandom popularity is about a warm and fuzzy feeling of solidarity with the abstract concept of femslash and not f/f content you enjoy existing, so I'm sure you're happy regardless.

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DA

Man, you are just determined to be unhappy.

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[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, sorry.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yep. Especially when they go "But this m/m ship in some other fandom has 100 more fics!". Shit, who cares, can we ever be happy about a ship without someone bringing up some m/m ship? Not everyone cares about it being a contest.

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[(Anonymous)]

NA Yeah, as someone who writes pretty much everything, I'm always kind of O.o at people who claim femslash never gets readers, always is the least-kudosed, etc. My F/F stuff tends, on average, to do better than my M/F and M/M work, and gets some of my favorite comments. It's rec'd more often. People are more enthusiastic about it. And I'm sure some of that is that (a) I write more of it and (b) maybe I enjoy writing female characters more and that shows, but still.

But if you try to say that, everyone says you're wrong, or it's only like that in Supergirl fandom and they hate Supergirl, or [other excuse here].